Doctors in the late Ming Dynasty

Ma Shi does not believe that saints can be equated with common people. Although saints come from common people, not every common person can become a saint. This is the biggest difference between the two.

Zhang Jiebin retorted: "I don't think so. The common people's daily management is the orderly management of the saints."

"The way of the saints is no different from what the common people use every day. Anyone who is different from it is called heresy."

"In short, the daily use of the people has become the standard for testing whether it is 'Tao' or 'heresy'."

Ma Shi listened carefully and said with a smile: "Your rhetoric is still Wang Taizhou's, and it is not enough for the world to agree with."

"Can't Taoists agree? As far as I know, there are many ordinary people who support this theory!" Zhang Jiebin also laughed.

Ma Shi frowned when he heard this. He knew that Wang Gen's thoughts were very attractive. If you think about it, one is Neo-Confucianism, which believes that saints are born, and there are orderly distinctions between saints and mortals; while the other says, "Everyone in the street is full of people."

"Saint" and "Everyone is a gentleman", which one would you choose?

"Although the theories of the Taizhou School can confuse people's minds, you and I both know that there are only a few people who can truly become saints, and only a few. Even in the Taizhou School, how many people can be called saints, and how many people can be called saints?

Are you a saint?" Ma Shi argued hard and his words were very persuasive.

Zhang Jiebin thought about it carefully, then shook his head and said: "Theoretically, everyone can be a saint and a gentleman. Without this idea, how could Wang Taizhou, Wang Longxi, Luo Rufang, Yan Shannong, and He Xinyin stand out?"

"Are they saints? Who recognizes them?" Ma Shi sneered.

Zhang Jiebin became angry when he heard this: "According to what you say, there will be no saints in the world?"

"Of course." Ma Shi answered confidently, and then said longingly: "If heaven had not given birth to Zhongni, eternity would be like a long night."

Zhang Jiebin was amused. He happened to have heard a story that could be used. He said, "I finally know why saints like Emperor Xi and above burned paper candles every day!"

"You..." Ma Shi was speechless for a moment.

"Do the remarks of Mr. Li Zhi of the Taizhou School make sense?" Zhang Jiebin asked frankly.

"You are sophistry." Ma Shi said angrily.

"You are exaggerating." Zhang Jiebin replied tit for tat.

"Then you just believe in your own philosophy, and I'll practice my own philosophy. The Tao is different and we don't want to work together." Ma Shi snorted and left.

"Don't mention it, we are not Confucian scholars. How can we be so clear-cut about medicine? Aren't we putting the cart before the horse?" Zhang Jiebin said quickly.

Ma Shi did not stop, and left without looking back.

During this period, Neo-Confucianism was still the mainstream. Although few people could compare with Xinxue in terms of fame in later generations, it cannot be denied that their fame, strength and status at that time were far higher than Xinxue.