New Shun 1730

This is nonsense, it means saying nothing.

Support in principle...

In principle, everyone present supports it. No one stood up to object.

But support is useless in principle.

Supporting it in principle but being stuck on specific issues is the same pattern as Dashun's pattern of affirming the uprising in abstract terms but denying it in concrete terms.

Governor Huanghuai said again: "Xing Gong said that the land of China is one billion acres and the population is two to three hundred million. If the policy of equalizing the land is implemented, the average land per capita is only three acres."

"I haven't been to the south much, so I don't know much about it. But I know that in the north, if one acre of land is used to grow grains, it only costs 100 jins a year, which is an extra 200 jins."

"You and I are both carnivores. Although we are not despicable, we are different from the common people. The common people cannot eat meat and cannot bear to eat oil. They only eat three to five kilograms of grains a day, which is enough."

"I'm just saying that even if the land is equalized, people in the world still don't have enough to eat."

"The only way to solve this problem is to build water conservancy projects and convert dry fields into irrigated fields, increasing the yield from 150 kilograms per mu to 200 to 300 kilograms."

"Or it could be that people immigrated abroad to cultivate new fields. It just so happens that Nanyang is ripe for more than a year."

"So the Holy Emperor wants to control the Huaihe River and immigrate people."

"This is a really big plan, so we have to do it."

"What I mean is that the solution can be taken slowly, and you can think about it slowly. But this year's matter should be solved first."

"It's not easy to sail in the summer. This year's matter has been settled, and we still have half a year to think about it."

This was a real help to Liu Yu, but the fundamental problem was still not solved.

Governor Huang Huai directly raised this matter to the great cause of "the long-term development of the country", and it was difficult for everyone to refute this matter.

A big problem among Confucian scholars today is that they don't like to do data analysis, and they often just pat their heads when thinking about things. Even some ancient Confucians who claim to be pragmatic, when they talk about equalizing land, they just slap their heads, one hundred acres per household, and never calculate whether one hundred acres per household is enough? Hasn't Dashun reached the limit of a perfect small farmer and the level of a family with one hundred acres of land and one horse and one cow?

But they are not stupid either. If the data is presented to them, they can understand it and understand the shocking horror and crisis.

In the analysis of population and land issues, officials have seen Liu Yu's figures and have even been influenced by the population theory used to deceive Japan.

Now that the imperial court has abolished the poll tax, it is obvious that it wants to solve this problem. Relocation is what the emperor wants to accomplish. No one can turn a blind eye and object at this time.

The Jiangsu Jiedushi had no choice but to say: "Xiaguan changed his mind at first. If this matter is only for this year, it would be simple. But this is not a long-term solution."

"Moreover, as soon as this matter comes out... although you and I know that this matter is for the people and the country. But some stupid people will inevitably feel that the court is biased towards merchants."

"If Duke Xing could solve the merchant's problem, he would not come here. If I said that the person who tied the bell must be tied to untie the bell, and asked the Duke to solve the problem with the merchant, the Duke would definitely think that I was trying to shirk."

Governor Huang Huai, who seemed to be talking nonsense before, then responded: "This matter is nothing more than a profit."

"Either the merchant will lose profits."

"Either way, the gentry will lose money."

"You can only choose one of the two, and that's the hard part."

"Unless merchants don't lose profits, and gentry don't lose profits. Or, let this kind of loss of profits be hidden deeper."

"I think this matter needs to be resolved not in Jiangsu, but in the temple."

"If it is said that merchants do not lose profits, nor do northern Jiangsu gentry lose profits, then the state loses profits, and debts are used as taxes, and the household government covers the bottom line and exempts them."

"In other words, it depends on Xing Gong's methods to make this kind of loss-making thing more hidden."

"It's nothing more than the east wall and the west wall."

"The exemption is your majesty's favor, and the land tax is the household government's money. The favor comes from your majesty, and it's money... Xinggong will find a way to supplement the household government from Nanyang, and the household government will not object."

"So I said, this matter can only be resolved in the temple."

Hearing this, the Jiangsu Jiedushi envoy thought that for those of you who were born in the war, it would be okay to do some things such as fighting wars, controlling floods, and building rivers.

With regard to local matters, you have no idea what tricks you can pull off with this approach.

Free? How to avoid it?

Is the state exempt from all debt obligations?

If you dare to do this, you can create a new industry. It was obvious that they could pay back ten taels for a debt of five denarii. Besides, how many clerks are needed to find out?

Isn’t this a replica of the preferential treatment and exemption from military service for the gentry?

There is no debt, the area is free, and you can just take it away as long as you like it?

How long will it last? Going to Nanyang is not just a matter of one or two days. It takes one year, five years, or even a hundred years?

Jiangsu Jiedushi murmured in his heart, thinking about this matter, the only way to solve it was to cut off the government's relief.

Force the people to rebel. This way the debt is cleared.

After recruiting, it will be sold to Nanyang.

But this kind of thought just passed by for a moment, and I didn't dare to think about it deeply.

Seeing that Liu Yu seemed to be thinking about this proposal, Jiangsu Jiedushi shook his head and nodded, indicating that this method would not work.

The fundamental problem is that the imperial power does not extend to counties. The population below the county level is actually not Dashun people, but more like the gentry from various places. If the imperial court had the ability to supervise until the debts were clear, the grassroots level would not be corrupted to this extent. The grassroots level has been corrupted to this point, and they still dream of sorting out their debts. Isn’t this just a dream?

After saying that it was impossible to avoid it, Jiangsu Jiedushi continued: "If we don't talk about compensation and just do special things, after doing it once this year..."

"Duke, Governor, have you thought about the consequences?"

"Since the money may not be recovered and the loans may be lost because of going to Southeast Asia... I am afraid that next year, when the harvest is poor, the people will starve to death."

"There may even be a civil uprising."

"This dynasty does not have the ability to promote the Qingmiao Law. The gentry actually maintains the practice of lending money to poor tenants during the harvest period."

"There is no Qingmiao Law, and the gentry are forced not to lend money to the poor during the harvest period. Isn't this leading to chaos in northern Jiangsu?"

"When the time comes, it's okay to eat up the rich and smash the granaries."

"I am afraid that someone with ulterior motives will do something big. There are already many dissatisfactions because of the abolition of the river. When the Yellow River and Huai River are corrupted, it may harm the emperor. It is a big matter to control the Huai River and waste the river."

"I said before that this is a story about Zigong and Zilu redeeming people. In fact, this is the case."

"Moreover, the northern Jiangsu region has a tradition that when there is a shortage of food, they often eat the rich. If there are fewer, it's okay. The court will turn a blind eye and know that the people are suffering. "

"But if there are more, the court will definitely intervene."

"If it doesn't take care of it, it will chill the hearts of the gentry in the world."

"If you really don't pay your debts and go to Southeast Asia, it will really add fuel to the fire."

"Duke, governor, stability is the first priority. In the long run, immigration and relocation is a great benefit and a fundamental way to stabilize and cure. But it may not last long, I'm afraid it will be chaotic first."

After speaking, Liu Yu and Huang Huai Governor were silent.

Huang Huai Governor was a man who led troops after all. He always liked to use force to defeat tricks, especially with the tactical changes after the Dashun Army Reform. This idea deeply influenced the thinking of military nobles.

What about the watchtowers and castles? Don't talk about this conspiracy or that strategy. Just bring up the cannons and fire.

What about the wisdom and tricks, lure the enemy deep into the depths, just pull the troops over to form a battle array to resist.

In strategy, you need to pay attention to skills, and in tactics, you just need to use force to defeat all tricks.

Especially when it comes to attacking the southwest or the Western Regions, it is really so rough. More than a thousand soldiers and a few cannons, squatting in a few bastions in the Western Regions, this tribe, that holy descendant, and tens of thousands of rebels outside will naturally remain unmoved.

Field battles are like crushing withering and rotten.

Places like the Western Regions require a lot of ruthlessness to keep them under control.

Naturally, this is a good piece of steel for problems such as water control, Huai River control, and abandonment of the canal that require violent means to ensure implementation.

The emperor also figured it out. Unless the canal is restored and sea transportation is abandoned, he will be dissatisfied no matter what he does.

Since the fundamental problem cannot be solved or changed, it is meaningless to be gentle.

It is better to be violent directly.

However, in such delicate local civil affairs, the idea is obviously wrong.

Liu Yu wanted to support the emerging class and make the first step of Nanyang development smoother, hoping that this matter would be resolved quickly.

Everything is difficult at the beginning. If such troubles are encountered at the beginning, Nanyang will really have to engage in "slavery".

A group of contractors recruited people from all over the country, and then sent them to Nanyang to work and pay them back. The contractor and the plantation are directly in contact, and the contractor supervises the work, and the money goes directly to the contractor's account. This may become the method that the emerging class is most willing to accept, saving a lot of trouble.

But then Nanyang will be completely disunited, and maybe within ten or eight years at most, they will gather again on Huoshan Mountain.

After thinking about it, Liu Yu thought to himself that if he wanted to let the emerging class take this step and dared not touch the gentry in the country, he would have to suffer losses himself.

Fortunately, the people of Dashun... are cheap.

If it is really a hundred taels each, with the population required in Nanyang, even if he wants to suffer a little loss himself, he can't afford it.

What the Jiangsu Jiedushi said is true. If the debt is forcibly forgiven this year, there will be a civil uprising next year, and the responsibility will be borne by the person who issued the policy. No one is willing to take this risk.

After all, this is not a one-time thing.

If we say that we can get through this year first, send people to various places to station next year, collect people in advance, and then go to Southeast Asia in batches, isn’t it?

No.

In that case, I am afraid that there will be a variant of the "escape slave" incident.

Tenants who owe debts to gentry and want to go to Southeast Asia will run to the place where they collect people. And the gentry in various places will chase them to the place where they collect people...

Then the place where they collect people will really become Uncle Tom's cabin.

The old society was already magical enough. It was a miracle that Dashun did not issue the "escape slave law" or the "escape person law".

Don't make a big fuss about this matter at that time, and force Dashun to issue the "escape person law", which would be really disgusting.

Moreover, the contradictions will be triggered too early, and it is hard to say what the court will do. It might even turn into a big dispute because of the "escape slaves".

Dashun had no slaves. However, there were people all over the world who owed debts to gentry and could not pay them back in their lifetime. Self-employed farmers who did not owe money would never go to Nanyang, where they would risk their lives.