New Shun 1730

"No wonder you were so disgusted with the British when George Anson came here. Before, you thought it was just a dispute over trade profits, but it turns out the roots are here?"

"Ten years since the reign of Chongzhen in the previous dynasty... Oh, more than a hundred years have passed. The British started a war with the Spaniards in Europe, and it was a big joke. The sailors fell ill for a third before they could board the ship. 1. It is ridiculous to go to the Americas and only support 2,000 people to break the expedition a hundred years ago. "

"When I was in Europe, the King of France often told me that the British were arrogant and annoying and could not be trusted. I just thought it was the feud between Britain and France, such as Wu Yue... Thinking about it this way, it seems that it is not a lie."

Liu Yu said seriously: "Father-in-law, although this matter is unfortunate, we must take precautions."

"The last time my father-in-law went to Europe, he just took a quick tour, but he might not have seen much."

"My father-in-law has been here for several years and participated in the Aachen Peace Conference. Don't you think it's really difficult for us to communicate with the European countries, especially the Protestant countries?"

"Many times, we talk like chickens and ducks. On the contrary, with those old religious countries, we can still understand some truths."

"When I say that chickens and ducks speak like ducks, I don't mean that they don't understand the language or the allusions are unclear."

"But...how should I put it?"

He didn't know what to say, but Qi Guogong clapped his hands and said: "I was about to say this, it is true! Chickens and ducks talk, chickens and ducks talk, this is a great thing."

"It's definitely not because of the language barrier that the allusions are unclear, but because many things are clearly true, but they think they are that way."

"Just like this time, isn't it because of the ban on religion? People on my side say that for thousands of years, the Celestial Empire has not believed in the God of Doosi, but it is also a country of etiquette and a gentleman."

"I thought that this dynasty was banning old religion, and this Protestant country should applaud it. What happened?"

“But they say: [The good works that a man does without the grace of Christ and without the inspiration of the Holy Spirit cannot please God because they are not done by faith in Jesus Christ. On the contrary, they are not done according to the will and command of God. It is still sinful].

"The people under my command are going to blame you, saying that you came up with the method of vaccination and saved thousands of lives, and you are unfaithful, so you will go to hell for what you did?"

“Doing good deeds before you are unfaithful will actually make them worse?”

"They actually said... you have to go to hell, and you are more sinful than others because you don't believe in God. What you did, including vaccination to save people, was not done according to God's will and command. Not only is it sinful, And it’s also a temptation from the devil…”

Duke Guo of Qi's words came to an abrupt end here, because during the argument, Duke Guo Qi saw that the situation was wrong and quickly took away the people on his side.

Because the people here were talking about it, Liu Yu felt that it might not be enough, so he planned to add Shennong who tasted herbs, the emperor who made fire with flint wood, and even the current emperor.

As soon as Duke Guo of Qi heard this, he knew that even if the emperor was included, no matter how meritorious he was, he would still be destined to "go to hell".

These words were intended to cause a diplomatic dispute, and Dashun did not have a fleet that could retaliate in Europe.

Duke Guo of Qi felt that when the time came, he would be cursed by the emperor, saying, "The emperor will humiliate and his ministers will die." He had to fight with them here, otherwise he would not be able to explain when he came back. He is not afraid of death, and he probably doesn't dare to do anything to him, but the trade situation is so easy to create, it is best not to make mistakes at this time.

So stop talking quickly.

He had a lot of dealings with people from the old religion. Before the ban on Christianity in Dashun, a large number of Jesuit missionaries worked in the court, as well as several third-rank officials.

Although these old believers are not good birds, they are not as extreme as the Protestants. And it has been leaning towards localization.

Duke Guo of Qi had never seen the extreme Protestant doctrine of justification by faith, and he was completely confused.

Isn't this fucking nonsense? Not to mention the feeling of talking like a chicken and a duck, but now that Liu Yu mentioned it like this, and also mentioned the "retreat" and "forbidden sea", I suddenly thought about a lot.

I vaguely understood what Liu Yu meant by "talking like a chicken and a duck".

I think that there is truth in the world. We are all human beings, and we must be reasonable. At this point, it is directly divided into those who are human beings and those who are not human beings, those who believe in faith and are not human beings, and those who do not believe in faith and faith are not human beings.

What nonsense is that?

Liu Yu listened to the Duke of Qi telling this story and said with a smile: "This matter is actually simple to say. Does the Duke know that during the reign of Longxing in this dynasty, Europe was at war because of the Protestant and old religions?"

The Duke of Qi nodded, and Liu Yu asked again: "Does the Duke know that whether it is this dynasty or Japan, if Confucian scholars want to change, they must speak of the pre-Qin Dynasty and Confucius and Mencius?"

Duke Qi nodded again and then understood.

"Are you saying that everything must be reversed when it reaches its extreme? The so-called new must be older than the old? Any change must refer to and borrow from ancient teachings?"

"The new is actually the old. It must be older, more trustworthy, and more extreme than the old?"

"According to what you said, regardless of whether it is Christ, the changes come and go, and the changes can only become more and more extreme? If you don't talk about the past, you can't shake the present. Only talking about the past can you shake the present? Is this a heresy?"

Liu Yu snorted and said, "That's exactly what I mean. If you don't mention the ancient teachings and saints, how can you say that the current saying is wrong? If you say that the current saying is wrong, it must be more ancient and more ancient than the current practice. "More original."

"In fact, I don't know whether it is Christianity or Huihui, or the Mingjiao that our dynasty has promoted. If we want to reform, we must first follow the ancients. Gentlemen who want to reform must be more like the gentlemen of the ancient times than the gentlemen of today, so that they can reform into the new."

"This new religion is indeed more original and more extreme than the old religion."

"However, since the end of the Ming Dynasty, those who have argued with the nobles of the Mingjiao are all old believers; and in our dynasty, the officials in the court are also old believers. Therefore, our dynasty has little dealings with Protestant countries and does not know their extremes."

"He said that the more people I save, the worse I will go to hell. This is exactly the truth. If it were the old religion, they would add a few more sentences, saying that my behavior is like that of a saint, but I am deceived and do not join the religion."

He said this in a way that confuses cause and effect, because the Jesuits want to take the upper-class route and get along in China. They can't justify themselves by faith and tell the emperor and high officials that you must go to hell if you don't believe.

The Jesuits understood the meaning of the imperial power of Dashun. If they dared to say that, they would have been tortured to death, not to mention trying to preach. Even in the letters to Europe, they said that the emperor was actually half a Christian and had done a lot of good things.

As the saying goes, there is no harm without comparison.

The old religion is indeed not a good bird, but from Matteo Ricci to the missionaries who were in the officialdom of Dashun before, as long as they did not talk about God, the literati could still communicate with them.

The Duke of Qi dealt with the new religion this time, and suddenly felt that the old religion, which he had previously felt extremely disgusted with, was actually a little cute.

Many people felt that Dashun banned religion on the one hand and allied with France on the other. But after such a comparison, it seemed to be understood all of a sudden.

France is certainly not a good bird, but the others are even worse.

Liu Yu took advantage of the previous Chongzhen tenth year and said, "In fact, it is normal for the British to think like this."

"Let me explain it to my father-in-law."

"The Protestant countries such as Britain and the Netherlands have their own trade protection, their own sea ban policy, their own navigation regulations, and monopoly authorization. After that, the Ming Dynasty accused the Celestial Empire of seclusion in the tenth year of Chongzhen. Then can I sell goods on the Thames? Obviously not."

"The last time I went to the Netherlands, I said that if you Dutch can open a trading house in the Celestial Empire, why can't the Celestial Empire open a trading house in the Netherlands? The principles he said are the same as what you just said [the good deeds that people have accomplished without the grace of Christ and the inspiration of the Holy Spirit are not accomplished by faith in Jesus Christ, so they cannot please God. On the contrary, since they are not accomplished according to God's will and command, they are still sinful]."

"For example, according to our principles, you are hungry and come to my house for dinner. After eating for a few days, I said I have no money and want I'm going to your house for dinner. Isn't that normal?"

"But what about their reasoning? That's not the reasoning between people, but the reasoning between people and animals."

"It's like people and oxen. Oxen can work. But if oxen want to eat grain, they can't. We who don't have faith are not people at all."

"Isn't it natural not to let cattle eat grain?"

"How can you talk about human reasoning with someone who is not a human?"

"So I have the grace of the Lord to come to your house to do business, and you have to open the door. If you don't open the door, you are sinful and will go to hell."

"But you can't come to my house to do business, because I have the will of the Lord not to open the door for you. If you open my door, you are sinful and will go to hell."

"So I said, it's completely a chicken talking to a duck, and the reason is not clear. The fundamental reason is that you think it's a communication between people, but they think it's a communication between people and animals."

These few words really made the Duke of Qi feel like he was suddenly enlightened.

Recalling the sentence "Isn't it natural to not let cattle eat grain?", he said repeatedly: "Yes, yes, yes! Natural! Natural! That's the feeling. It's obviously unreasonable, but he said it as if it was natural."

"In the past few years, I have been in Europe, dealing with people from those Protestant countries, and this is the feeling. There is no reason at all. Just like the problem of the trading house you mentioned, I naturally said what you said as usual, and their answer was this feeling."

"If you don't say it, I really don't know how to describe it!"

Duke Qi's trip to Europe did produce many thoughts.

The first time he went to Europe, it was a cursory observation.

That time he went to Europe, it was just a feeling similar to the Han Dynasty hearing that there was a Rome in the west, and that they might not be the only civilization.

It was not the kind of Celestial Empire that regarded everything as barbaric.

It was not the kind of "broken heart" feeling that turned from extreme arrogance to extreme inferiority after being defeated by Europeans.

It was a pure feeling of equality.

When he went to Europe this time, Duke Qi did not just visit it in a cursory manner like he did last time. In addition, he was influenced by Liu Yu in many subtle ways. During his stay in Europe for several years, what he saw and heard made Duke Qi feel an indescribable strange feeling.

This feeling is basically the template of the incident in the tenth year of Chongzhen in the previous dynasty that Liu Yu just mentioned.

It is difficult for Duke Qi to explain what this feeling is.

Or, he does not know the word "double standard" now.

But most things are similar to the story of the British in the tenth year of Chongzhen that Liu Yu told.

For the people of Dashun at that time, the funny thing about this incident in the tenth year of Chongzhen was not "Yerlang arrogance, ridiculous and self-deprecating".

Although it is funny to be self-deprecating, it is not that funny.

Rather, why would a country with navigation regulations, a country that prohibits Eastern merchant ships from directly docking at its ports to sell goods, and a country with an administratively granted monopoly East India Company think that it is wrong for other countries to choose not to do business with you?

Duke Qi felt that this was difficult for him to understand.

This incident was just one of them. In fact, Duke Qi had similar feelings many times during his visit to Europe.

It just felt that "it was unreasonable."

The education he received since childhood, or the basic morality and sense of right and wrong cultivated by Chinese culture, was completely unreasonable in those Protestant countries in Europe.

Chinese culture is a peculiar culture of the universal empire.

It has its own set of moral standards, regardless of whether this set of moral standards is completely correct or not, or whether it is in line with the times.

It is just that when this moral standard is used to evaluate people, it is a single standard.

People outside, whether they are good or bad, gentlemen or villains, also use this set of standards.

Even I believe in this single standard.

For example, the process of the Sima family gaining the world was a bit...

So I just say that I hope the holy dynasty will rule the world with filial piety.

When the descendants heard about the process of their ancestors gaining the world, they also cried in shame, saying that how could such a country last long?

Or it can be said that Western missionaries, as long as they meet the standards here, can still be evaluated as "profitable".

But after the Duke of Qi went around Europe, he felt completely different.

But he really couldn't find a suitable word to describe this feeling. Now that Liu Yu said this, it really hit the heart.

Especially in the past few years, Dashun has been calling for European countries to allow Dashun to open a trading house, and felt that they had already asked them to build a trading house, so it was reasonable for them to build a trading house there.

But the reason for the other party's refusal was this kind of self-righteous and reasonable thing.

In terms of momentum, there is nothing wrong with a self-righteous refusal. It was just a fart to clear the throat and make some noise. Dashun didn't expect to open a trading house in Europe by talking nonsense. Since he had to refuse, it was normal that he could not lose in terms of momentum.

However, the connotation of "taken for granted" made the Duke of Qi feel very uncomfortable.

It should be said that one side is justified by faith, and the other side is justified by righteousness, which leads to a situation where they are talking at cross purposes and cannot communicate normally.