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"Although the development of NS22 is about half a year later than NS44, its structure is similar to NS44."

"As long as all the confirmation work for NS44 is completed, the related progress of NS22 can be greatly accelerated."

"So we can enter mass production in the first quarter of next year at the latest."

"Of course, if you want to mass produce, you must have customers."

"If COMAC's C919 plans to use NS22, then we will definitely not hold back in terms of schedule and performance."

Cao Yang had already learned about the relevant situation of the C919 before the people from AVIC and Mordu Commercial Aircraft came to inspect.

The performance of the engines they plan to use is naturally very clear.

Based on various indicators of NS22, it can be said to be a comprehensive leader.

By then, it will not only be able to meet the needs of C919, but also subsequent upgraded products such as C929.

After all, NS22 already has redundancy in thrust, which can completely upgrade the C919.

This is actually a very important factor for Modu Commercial Aircraft.

By then, several of their different models of aircraft will use the same engines, which will be very beneficial for production and later maintenance.

It is also an important factor that airlines will consider when ordering aircraft.

"Mr. Cao, you are really amazing."

"What we at AVIC have been struggling with for decades and have not been able to come up with is actually such a perfect solution in your hands."

At this time, Zhao Tianling also recovered from various shocks.

As the helmsman of a leading company in the domestic aviation field, Zhao Tianling is very aware of the importance of aviation engines.

There are many aircraft in China, and they all have various problems because they do not have good enough aero engines.

Even many current fighter jets still need to import engines from Polar Bear.

It will take at least five or six years for this situation to be better resolved.

"Mr. Zhao, your previous efforts were mainly focused on military aircraft. The requirements of those engines are very different from those of NS44 and NS22."

"The domestic foundation in this area is already relatively weak. It is already remarkable that you can solve some of the most urgent needs."

"Our Nanshan Engine has the advantage of having no burden. We can research whatever products we want, so we finally achieved some of the current results in civil aviation engines."

Once Nanshan Engine's NS44 and NS22 were released, they became the undisputed leader in domestic civil aviation engines.

At this time, there is naturally no need to slap AVIC in the face too much.

That doesn't do any good at all.

Cao Yang has been able to lead the Nanshan Group's enterprises to develop to the present. He has come into contact with various people in various fields, and his emotional intelligence will not be so low.

"That's not what he said."

"I'm not afraid of your jokes, Mr. Cao. As for the NS44 engine, even if you transfer all the drawings and data to AVIC, we will not be able to rely on our own strength to produce it within ten years."

"The threshold here is very clear to everyone we have worked with."

This is not the first day Zhao Tianling has met Cao Yang. He is also very clear about the technical strength of the Nanshan Department.

Similarly, the other party is relatively familiar with AVIC's situation.

So being honest at this time will actually make you less embarrassed.

"Domestic industrial technology has been changing rapidly in recent years, and the technology of various aerospace engines is also advancing rapidly."

"I believe that within the next ten years, we can produce all aerospace engines that are in demand domestically."

Cao Yang exchanged polite words with Zhao Tianling, but He Guoqing, who was next to him, couldn't wait to walk to the side of the NS22 prototype and circled it several times.

"Mr. Cao, if the performance of the NS22 can meet the requirements you introduced, then we at Mordu Commercial Aircraft will definitely use it as an engine for the C919."

"As for whether all NS22s will be used in the end, we need to compare them with previous engines and make comprehensive considerations."

He Guoqing's decision was not difficult to make.

After all, the NS22 is a purely domestic engine, and its performance is even more advanced than what the C919 currently uses.

Although I don’t know the price and quality, it is definitely no problem as an alternative.

Cao Yang was also aware of this situation.

He also didn't expect that after just one visit, Modu Commercial Aircraft Co., Ltd. would cancel the previous engine cooperation project and switch to Nanshan engines in an all-round way.

That's simply not realistic.

To completely eliminate General Dynamics, we have to rely on the next step of testing and data to speak for itself.

"We welcome Modu Commercial Aircraft to arrange a dedicated technical team to stay here and discuss various issues related to NS22."

"In addition to engines, our avionics systems, landing gear and other related core components are currently under intensive research and development."

"At that time, all related parts of the Venus 777 will be purchased domestically."

"Part of it will be produced by our group ourselves, and part of it will be jointly developed and produced with domestic suppliers."

It is definitely not possible to eat alone, and the driving effect is not good enough.

Therefore, Cao Yang is prepared to hand over some parts that have domestic production capacity for production.

This can also reduce the investment of enterprises related to the Nanshan System.

After all, some domestic companies may not have good design capabilities and cannot develop advanced products.

But if this is processing from drawings, the difficulty will be reduced a lot, and qualified suppliers can be found for many parts.

When the time comes, Venus Technology will develop together with these enterprises, and it will be able to greatly expand its influence invisibly.

After all, most of the manufacturers that can produce large aircraft-related parts are state-owned enterprises. The innovation capabilities of these enterprises may not be very strong, but their ability to influence policies in the industry is definitely very strong.

They are even responsible for drafting some industry standards and policies.

This invisible value and influence still needs to be considered.

"Mr. Cao, how about we briefly check out what other parts Venus Technology can produce, and then I will arrange for a professional team of engineers to come over and have a good discussion."

"If these parts can meet our design requirements, then choosing to use domestic parts for the C919 is naturally the best result."

It is entirely possible that Dongxi Nanshan engines, which are as difficult as aviation engines, have been developed, and Nanshan companies can also handle other core components.

So this time He Guoqing actually chose to believe what Cao Yang said.

Cao Yang naturally had no objection to this.

However, he, the world's richest man, definitely doesn't need to explain the specific parts one by one. Naturally, the heads of companies such as Venus Technology and Nanshan Auto Parts will introduce them to everyone.

Originally, it was only arranged for two days to celebrate Guoqing and the others on a business trip.

However, after this introduction, he stayed in Yangcheng for a week. After a team of professional engineers for each subsequent part had flown over to confirm on site and exchange relevant technical information in depth, He Guoqing reluctantly left Yangcheng.

"Mr. He, based on the current situation, I think many things about the C919 need to be reconsidered."

"Venus Technology's design capabilities for large aircraft far exceed our imagination."

"If our C919 is still produced according to the current plan, there will be a huge difference in that most of the core parts will be products from foreign suppliers, while the Venus 777 will be all domestically produced."

"If we can't find parts from suitable suppliers in China, our superiors can accept this result."

"But there are already similar products in China, but we still choose international suppliers. It will probably be more troublesome then."

"Maybe we will all be singled out and criticized."

On the plane back to Shanghai, Wei Jian couldn't wait to express his views.

As a technical expert, he was completely impressed by the companies in the Nanshan Group this week.

Their level is really high.

Although some parts are still in the drawing design stage, there are no actual objects available for viewing.

But judging from the design drawings and simulations on NSCAD, there is no problem at all.

The next step to consider is how to invest in production lines as soon as possible to produce parts.

Or find a suitable domestic supplier and have it produced according to the drawing requirements.

"If we all use domestic suppliers, it will probably be very difficult for the C919 to obtain airworthiness certification from Europe and the United States in the future."

He Guoqing was silent for a moment and expressed his worries.

In his view, if the C919 cannot obtain airworthiness certification, it will have no way to fly abroad and there will be many restrictions.

This is obviously not a situation that Modu Commercial Aircraft wants to see.

Of course, he also understood what Wei Jian said.

By then, large aircraft such as the Venus 777, which are significantly more difficult, will use 100% domestic parts, but aircraft such as the C919, which is one level lower in difficulty, will still have so many imported parts.

That will definitely lead to scolding.

Maybe I can't even keep the position under my butt.

"Mr. He, is it possible that our C919, which uses a large number of parts from international manufacturers, can obtain airworthiness certification from the United States and Europe?"

"Would Boeing and Airbus be willing to see our C919 compete with them for the market?"

"Although this result is not what I want to see, it is basically certain that it will be difficult for the C919 to obtain airworthiness certification from the United States and Europe in the future."

Wei Jian immediately took off the emperor's new clothes.

In fact, many people in Shanghai Commercial Aircraft Co., Ltd. know this truth.

But everyone has a fantasy, thinking that by using a large number of parts from international manufacturers, they will be able to successfully obtain World Bank certification from the United States and Europe.

In fact this is all wishful thinking.

It's just that everyone didn't have a better choice before, so they could only comfort themselves like this.

Historically, the C919 has not seen any signs of passing airworthiness certificates in the United States and Europe until 2024.

Before the 1920s of the last century, all aircraft produced by manufacturers did not need to undergo strict certification before they could be put into flight, even for small-scale commercial operations.

Because at that time, humans did not have this concept of seaworthiness.

This led to a result that in the 1920s and 1930s, human aviation accidents were very common, and incidents involving mass deaths and injuries abounded.

Therefore, by the late 1920s, both in the United States and Europe, there was a profound feeling that with the rapid development of commercial aviation, the public's emotions towards aviation became increasingly complex.

On the one hand, the public wants to be able to complete this kind of journey very efficiently by flying.

But on the other hand, these unsafe factors in aviation have restricted the development of the entire industry.

Therefore, the relevant departments decided to entrust some specialized institutions, or set up such specialized institutions themselves, to certify aircraft used for commercial transportation.

It depends on whether your original design is safe enough, and at the same time, you should establish some basic safety standards and use such standards to measure these aircraft.

It is equivalent to the endorsement of these aircraft by professional organizations, and only aircraft that meet the regulations are allowed to be put into commercial operation.

So this thing is very necessary.

However, with the development of the aviation industry, this thing sometimes changes a bit.

Europe and the United States are the main makers of current civil aviation rules and hold the right to interpret certification standards and compliance methods. They also have excellent products that have already won market recognition and commercial success around the world.

Therefore, the international airworthiness standards currently applied by China are based on and more suitable for the development level of the aviation industry in the United States and Europe.

Some general management rules are also obviously more conducive to early entrants and raise the bar for latecomers.

For example, the famous Section 21.101 - "Change Product Rules" (CPR).

According to this clause, aircraft certified in the early years such as B737 and A320 and their derivative models can maintain or be traced back to earlier airworthiness standards.

Latecomers, such as ARJ21-700 and C919, must obtain certification in accordance with the latest airworthiness standards, which greatly increases the threshold and difficulty of entering the market.

These are just normal restrictions. There are also some invisible restrictions, which are even more troublesome.

Anyway, even if your product 100% complies with other people's regulations, you may not be issued an airworthiness certificate in the end.

Boeing and Airbus have to be both athletes and referees in the local area to a certain extent.

Therefore, whether it is the C919 or the Daystar 777, it is destined to be difficult to obtain their airworthiness certificates.

Cao Yang has a very clear understanding of this.

However, the fact that there are no airworthiness certificates for these two regions does not mean that the Venus 777 cannot fly abroad.

If you want to open routes from China to Africa, South America, Southeast Asia, Central Asia and other places, as long as the local countries allow you to open them, that's fine.

At worst, we will give up flying to Europe and the United States.

"Hey, you are right. After we return, we will hold an internal meeting first, and then apply for an interim board of directors to discuss this topic."

In the end, He Guoqing also knew that what Wei Jian said made sense.

Even though he is the general manager of Modu Commercial Aircraft Co., Ltd., but now that things have developed, he actually doesn't have many choices.

If under such circumstances he still refuses to use engines and other parts produced by Nanshan-based companies, he might go straight to the top and force He Guoqing to change his mind or even change people!

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With so many people from Modu Commercial Aircraft going on a business trip to Yangcheng, involving various core parts such as aero engines, flight control systems, electric transmission systems, and landing gears, this news must not be hidden from the eyes of interested people.

As the president of General Electric's China branch, Xiang Weimin has already arranged for people to keep an eye on the news of Shanghai Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China.

Continuously, he naturally inquired about a lot of things.

As more and more information was obtained, Xiang Weimin's mood became heavier and heavier.

At the beginning, he thought there was something wrong with the information he had heard. How could Nanshan Engine have developed aero engines with thrusts of 44 tons and 22 tons?

This is simply impossible!

But slowly, he had to believe that this might be a fact.

So he didn't dare to delay it any longer and hurriedly reported to General Electric President Immelt.

"Nanshan Engine has produced a prototype of the NS44, and many of its performances are better than our GE90?"

The news reported to Weimin was a bolt from the blue for Immelt.

His first reaction was that the news was false.

However, when reporting to Weimin, I had already guessed the other party's reaction, so I emphasized that the Huaxia Branch had inquired many times and finally confirmed that the news was basically true.

At most, it depends on whether the NS44 prototype performance can be successfully implemented on the final mass-produced engine.

Then there will be some problems with the stability, quality and cost of the engine.

But even so, this is no longer a result that General Electric can accept.

After China owns the NS44 aviation engine technology, it will be difficult for General Electric to compete with Chinese companies such as Mordu Commercial Aircraft Co., Ltd. in the field of civil aviation engines.

"Imelt, although I know this news is very incredible, I also very much hope this is false news."

"But I think the company needs to consider a series of subsequent plans based on the premise that China has successfully developed NS44."

"For example, will Modu Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China continue to use the engines produced by our joint venture factory?"

Xiang Weimin really didn't want to mention this kind of content that the leader obviously didn't want to hear.

But if we don't speak clearly now, the next step will be the most uncomfortable for the Huaxia Branch.

Then he will take the blame.

So since it is something that we have to face sooner or later, it is better to just throw the problem out early.

In this way, it is not a problem of the Huaxia branch, but a problem of the headquarters.

In the workplace, if you can't handle things yourself, it's safest to hand them in as soon as possible.

Otherwise, if you can't cover it up later, you will have to find someone to take responsibility.

Especially in European and American companies, if the superiors feel that you are at fault, they may fire you the next day, and they will not even reserve time for you to hand over the work.

Unlike many state-owned enterprises, if you make a mistake, you will be rotated at most. Unless you break the law, they will consider firing you.

“If the C919 of Modu Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China does not use our engines, then it is absolutely impossible for them to obtain the airworthiness certificate from the FAA (Federal Aviation Administration of the United States). You need to make the people of Modu Commercial Aircraft Corporation have a clear understanding of this. ”

At this point, the airworthiness certificate should be the best thing Immelt can use to threaten Modu Commercial Aircraft.

Although they previously revealed that they would help MCAC's C919 obtain FAA airworthiness certificate in the future, they did not threaten others.

The situation is different now.

If you don't threaten them, the situation might be really dangerous this time.

Although Immelt knew that it was actually impossible for the C919 to obtain an airworthiness certificate from the FAA.

But considering China's huge domestic market, they still attach great importance to this aircraft engine order.

Even in order to get the order, they all agreed to produce the corresponding engines in China.

I have to say that this is a more sincere compromise.

Prior to this, China did not have the production capacity for civil aviation engines.

"In the past, when Shang Fei had no choice, everything was negotiable."

"Now Nanshan Engine has engines that look very good in performance to choose from. I'm afraid even if we threaten them, it may not be effective."

"Even if Modu Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China is willing to continue to cooperate with us, Nanshan Engine will find ways to force them to change their minds."

"After all, the influence of Nanshan Group companies in China is very huge, and their technical strength is highly recognized by relevant Chinese departments."

Seeing that he could not keep this order, Xiang Weimin naturally wanted to explain the situation clearly as soon as possible.

Otherwise, it will turn out that you don’t work hard, so you will lose the order.

He cannot bear this responsibility.

Based on his understanding of China's national conditions, General Electric is basically going to be in trouble this time.

The best outcome is also that Nanshan Engine supplies most of the engines and they supply a small portion of the engines.

But even if this situation occurs, after Nanshan Engine's products are finally proven to have no problems, sooner or later they will completely replace General Electric's engines.

"We have invested in building a factory in China to produce C919 engines. If they want to change suppliers, they will need to claim compensation from them for related equipment investments."

"This amount is very huge, and I believe no one in Shanghai Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China is willing to bear it."

Immelt found a reason from another dimension for Modu Commercial Aircraft to continue to cooperate with him.

However, Xiang Weimin was not very optimistic and said: "Although we signed some agreements at the time, there was no provision for liability for breach of contract if Mordu Commercial Aircraft did not purchase our engines."

"I'm afraid that even if we file a lawsuit, we may not be able to win."

Xiang Weimin's words directly silenced Immelt.

You will definitely not win a lawsuit, and he knows this very well.

But if this threat cannot be used, what cards does General Electric have left to play?

The situation is worrying!

He felt that he needed to discuss it carefully with the people at Boeing. This matter was not a matter for General Electric, but a major matter that would have a huge impact on the American aviation industry.