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"The positioning of our other helicopters is different from that of the CH-53."

"The customers we target are also different."

"So even if the sales price of the CH-53 drops significantly, it will not have much impact on other products."

"On the contrary, if we do nothing, then the sales of the CH-53 will drop drastically, which will be more troublesome."

After Stephens said this, Ivanchuk did not directly refute.

After all, this is the truth.

Although the Eagle heavy transport helicopter of Venus Technology has not yet been mass-produced, it is only a matter of time.

It is not surprising that some customers may postpone their original purchase plans in order to wait for Venus's products.

"CH-53 is a very good product, and the demand for it in the international market is actually very strong."

"In the past, the sales price was too high, and one aircraft cost hundreds of millions of dollars, so ordinary countries simply could not afford it."

"This time we can appropriately reduce some of the configurations and directly give a sales price of less than 50 million US dollars."

"When the price drops, the market demand may increase a lot, and we may not make less money in the end."

Seeing that Ivanchuk was a little undecided, Stephens added his opinion again.

In his opinion, it is absolutely necessary to continuously expand the influence of CH-53 and increase its sales.

"Even if we reduce the sales price of CH-53 to 50 million US dollars, it is estimated that it is still higher than the Eagle of Venus Technology, right?"

"After all, the sales price of the same type of Kunpeng heavy transport helicopters in the international market was only more than 30 million US dollars."

As soon as Ivanchuk said this, Stephens actually knew that his attitude had changed.

Otherwise, he would not have expressed his own concerns.

"The sales price of Chinese products has always been lower than ours, which is in line with everyone's cognition."

"Our customers are willing to spend more budget to purchase American products under the same circumstances."

"Of course, the gap cannot be too big."

"For example, the gap between more than 30 million US dollars and 50 million US dollars should still be a gap that many customers can accept."

"Besides, when people buy heavy transport helicopters, they definitely don't just look at the price."

"Quality and other things must also be considered carefully."

"Our CH-53 has been equipped in large quantities in the United States and its allies for decades, and the use of all aspects is very good, and the quality is very stable."

"On the other hand, the Eagle heavy transport helicopter, even if the performance on paper is very good, has not been tested in actual combat, and no customer has actual experience."

"In addition to the relevant departments of China, other international customers will definitely have some concerns."

It has to be said that Stephens' analysis is not unreasonable.

After all, whether it is more than 30 million US dollars or 50 million US dollars, it is actually not cheap.

Especially for some small countries, this cost is even more.

In this case, all kinds of concerns must be considered.

Otherwise, if something unexpected happens, someone will have to take the blame.

"What you said makes sense. We can make appropriate adjustments and see how the market reacts."

Ivanchuk finally agreed with Stephens's point of view.

Sikorsky quickly started some actions.

Compared with the various actions of Sikorsky, the situation on the Boeing side is a little more complicated.

On the one hand, the positioning of the Eagle heavy transport helicopter is not exactly the same as any of Boeing's products.

So the competitive relationship is relatively not that fierce.

But on the other hand, both the Eagle and the Kunpeng are heavy transport helicopters, and there is still a certain overlap in the market.

In addition to the overall competitive relationship between Venustech and Boeing, this situation needs to be considered comprehensively.

"David, when do you think the CH-53 of Venustech will be officially launched on the market?"

As the president of Boeing, Muilenburg felt that the Eagle heavy transport helicopter was a copy of the CH-53, so he directly replaced it with the CH-53.

Although the CH-53 is a product of Sikorsky, not Boeing, Muilenburg still doesn't want to see Venustech imitate it.

Boeing and Sikorsky have a certain tacit understanding when selling heavy transport helicopters.

On the one hand, their R\u0026D costs and production costs are similar, and vicious competition is a lose-lose situation.

On the other hand, the positioning of the two products in the United States is one for land and one for sea, and the degree of competition is not that great.

So both parties have a tacit understanding when they are external, and the sales price and conditions are almost the same.

Now that Venustech has come in, the situation is naturally different.

At that time, let alone the tacit understanding of cooperation, it would be impossible for everyone to use less means when competing.

"If it is a general enterprise, it will take at least two or three years from the appearance of the prototype to the official mass production, and it is not surprising that it will take longer."

"But if this company is Venustech, I feel that it may be able to mass produce next year."

David did not deliberately want to suppress the morale of his side.

But he has been dealing with Venustech for so many years and has a relatively full understanding of Venustech's strength.

This company must not be evaluated with common sense, otherwise there will be misjudgments at that time.

David certainly does not want to see this situation.

Because misjudgment will further worsen the situation.

"If it can be mass-produced next year, then they will probably start promoting their products this year."

"This is not good news for our CH-47."

Muilenburg frowned.

Although CH-47 and CH-53 have clear usage distinctions in the United States, the situation in the international market is different.

For example, CH-53 can be used not only at sea, but also on land.

This means that after the appearance of CH-53 of Venusstar Technology, it will not only affect Sikorsky, but also Boeing.

"Yes, Venusstar Technology is now our biggest potential threat."

"I think it is necessary to analyze this company comprehensively and adopt some comprehensive response plans, otherwise there may be more and more unfavorable situations in the future."

David obviously attaches great importance to Venusstar Technology as a competitor.

According to the information he learned, in addition to the products that have been produced by Venusstar Technology, there are several products under development that will also pose a threat to Boeing.

The most obvious one is Venusstar 777.

If this civil airliner is developed, it will definitely be a huge shock to Boeing.

Some other products will also shake Boeing's dominant position in the aerospace industry.

"The situation in China has changed very quickly in recent years. At present, the attitude of relevant departments towards China has been unable to keep up with the new situation."

"In the next election, we need to reconsider the candidates we support."

"I believe that some other people will also reconsider this issue."

As the president of Boeing, Muilenburg's influence is naturally not small, and he knows a lot of information.

It can be said that many changes in the United States did not happen suddenly.

If you analyze the past events carefully, you will find that everything has a trace.

David naturally did not put forward any different opinions on the opinions of his own boss.

He even took the initiative to communicate with some other military enterprises to see how everyone can find a way to deal with the rise of Venus Technology.

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The emergence of the Eagle heavy transport helicopter is definitely very bad news for Sikorsky and Boeing.

But for China, the situation is naturally completely different.

AVIC was originally the leading enterprise of China's aviation industry, and heavy transport helicopters are also what they have always wanted to catch up with.

However, no effective breakthrough has been made in these years.

Now that Venustech has produced the Eagle, Zhao Tianling couldn't help but take people to visit.

Needless to say, after the visit, I was definitely shocked.

After all, AVIC had been struggling for so many years but couldn't get it done, but now Venustech has done it so quickly.

This must be very stimulating.

"Old Wan, I think we can deepen the content of the cooperation with Venustech mentioned earlier."

"They are also researching general medium-sized helicopters, and even armed helicopters like Apache."

"We also have projects in this area. If Venustech is ahead of us, then our funding may start to decline in the future."

Wan Jinniu is the person in charge of AVIC's helicopter business.

Zhao Tianling must have put pressure on him after the visit.

Even though he knew that AVIC's helicopter technology has actually made some achievements in recent years, and the progress is not bad.

But everything is afraid of comparison.

With Venustech's cross-border success as a pearl, AVIC's progress is not enough.

You can't compare India and Japan all day long, right?

"I feel that Venusstar Technology has become more interested in entering the military industry in the past year."

"In the past, they always emphasized that they produced civilian products, and seemed to be uninterested in military products."

"But now this trend has changed, and they have taken the initiative to start research on many military products."

"The relevant departments have also begun to directly connect with them on some military projects."

"For projects like armed helicopters, I feel that the other party is likely to do it directly by themselves."

Wan Jinniu's feeling is obviously still very accurate.

Although he doesn't know the reason, the result is clear.

The reason why he is more worried is that in the United States and the polar bear, there is more than one company in China that is researching helicopters.

Even for products of the same level, there are two or even more companies competing.

This is definitely good for improving technology.

After all, competition can achieve technological progress faster.

When the polar bear and the United States competed, many technologies made rapid progress.

On the contrary, in the past 20 years, there have been fewer breakthroughs in this area.

In the eyes of relevant departments in China, if AVIC and Venus Technology can produce some helicopter products or other products, then they will definitely support the simultaneous development of both parties.

In this way, the initiative is in the hands of relevant departments.

Unlike before, many project-related departments actually had no choice.

Whether you are satisfied or not, you have to use it.

Otherwise, there will be nothing for you to use.

"The current environment has begun to change. Mr. Cao's strategic planning ability has always been very strong."

"The funding of relevant departments is increasing every year, and the purchase of various advanced equipment will also increase."

"Nanshan companies are facing various suppressions internationally, and they must have suffered a lot in recent years."

"And to completely change this situation, the best way is to continuously improve China's strength in all aspects, especially military strength."

"Qimingxing Technology has the strength to develop various advanced military products, and it will naturally not miss the opportunity at this time."

Zhao Tianling is more open-minded about this change.

I am not as strong as others, so I can't drag my feet, right?

The entire international environment is changing, and he has already felt it.

Ordinary people may need a few more years to truly feel the most direct changes, but people of Zhao Tianling's level can receive information from all aspects.

So the sense of smell will be more acute.

At this time, China really needs to quickly strengthen its strength in all aspects.

After all, this world is still a world of the survival of the fittest.

If your fist is not hard enough, your words will not have much effect.

"This should also be a very important reason."

Wan Jinniu naturally understood what Zhao Tianling said, "But I think they want Nanshan's enterprises to be as unaffected by changes in the international market as possible, which should also be a big reason."

"By making the military industry bigger and stronger, most of Venustech's turnover will eventually occur in China, so their base will be stable."

"Otherwise, if most of the turnover occurs overseas, there will be many uncontrollable factors."

Wan Jinniu has witnessed the various things that the United States has done to suppress Nanshan's enterprises.

It can be said that there is probably no other company in the whole of China that has been suppressed so many times.

It is admirable that Nanshan's enterprises can still thrive under so many suppressions.

This is also an important reason why the domestic industrial circles in China admire Nanshan's enterprises.

When there is a gap between one person and another, it is easy to feel jealous.

But no matter how big the gap is, there is often no jealousy.

The relationship between many Chinese companies and Nanshan's companies now has a little bit of this flavor in it.

"Although Venustech is now aggressively entering the military industry and has launched many related projects."

"But I don't think this means that there is no opportunity for cooperation."

"If they really don't want to cooperate with us, then they can find reasons to refuse the visit to the production line of the Eagle heavy transport helicopter this time."

"Besides, we already have a very close relationship on the H-20, and it is normal to have a few more projects."

Zhao Tianling is obviously still optimistic about the cooperation between the two sides.

Although the competition between the two companies may become more intense in the future, cooperation is still the main focus at this stage.

After all, there are still many military products that China needs to improve technology.

This cake is big enough to accommodate both AVIC and Venustech.

"That's right, their equipment, raw materials, or engines are all sold to the outside world."

"In this case, even if we don't cooperate directly with Venustech, it is possible to cooperate with other Nanshan companies."

When Wan Jinniu said this, Zhao Tianling nodded immediately.

Nanshan companies are not the only ones with strong strength, but Venustech.

It's just that Venusstar Technology has been quite eye-catching in the relevant departments during this period.

Even AVIC has such a high evaluation of Venusstar Technology, so the relevant departments will naturally not be bad.

So soon, the Eagle heavy transport helicopter received the first batch of 200 orders, and the price was basically the same as the Kunpeng heavy transport helicopter.

Compared with Kunpeng, the Eagle is very suitable for deployment on the plateau to solve the special needs of many places.

So after the relevant departments of China ordered 200 Eagles, half of them will be arranged in various places on the northwest plateau.

This situation is naturally not completely confidential.

As a result, Tianzhu in the south is nervous.

According to the strength of the Eagle heavy transport helicopter, it can transport two fully armed platoons to the destination at one time.

If more than a dozen aircraft are dispatched at the same time, a battalion of troops will be directly moved.

They can even directly hang light tanks and various artillery pieces underneath for transportation.

This will have a huge impact on places with poor road traffic conditions.

In addition, China is now equipped with a large number of various drones, and the pressure on Tianzhu has risen.

For this reason, they also began to consider purchasing heavy transport helicopters.

In this world, the only countries that can provide such products are Polar Bear, the United States and China.

Tianzhu and Polar Bear have very close cooperation in the trade of military products.

It is not a problem for them to buy the Mi-17 or other helicopters of Polar Bear.

However, although the carrying capacity of Polar Bear's heavy transport helicopter is very good, its endurance is very poor, and its comprehensive performance is not at the same level as the products of the United States and China.

In contrast, Tianzhu can only choose to consider buying from the United States.

However, the price is definitely not cheap.

"David, Tianzhu has specially arranged an inspection team to come and inspect the CH-47 and Sikorsky's CH-53. This order is likely to be a very large order, and we must strive to get it."

It is naturally possible for Tianzhu to buy heavy transport helicopters from the United States.

After all, this fence-sitter is very popular in many places.

But it is definitely difficult to buy their advanced version.

It is likely that both Boeing and Sikorsky in the United States will sell the civilian version or the entry-level version to Tianzhu.

Of course, no matter what version is sold, Boeing hopes that this order will be taken by itself.

That's why Muilenburg personally told David to follow up on this matter.

Otherwise, it would be depressing if it was snatched away by Sikorsky.

"According to the preliminary communication results between us and the Tianzhu team, the number of heavy transport helicopters they will purchase will be at least 20, and may even reach 50."

"But the Tianzhu people are more sensitive to prices, and it is estimated that they will not easily confirm this order."

This is not the first time that Dawei has dealt with the Tianzhu people.

Overall, he does not have a good impression of the Tianzhu people.

In particular, the Tianzhu people actually have a good relationship with polar bears, which is definitely not in the interests of the United States.

Of course, compared with China, David must be more pleasing to the eyes of Tianzhu.

After all, China will threaten the interests of the United States, but Tianzhu will not for the time being.

At least David thinks so.

"The price of our previous export CH-47 was not cheap, generally reaching 100 million US dollars per unit."

"Even if we simplify it, it will reach the level of 80 million US dollars."

Millenberg is naturally not very happy about the price reduction.

A lower price actually means a reduction in profit.

No company is willing to see its earnings decrease.

"Tianzhu is likely to use the price of Venustech to pressure us."

"The other party's Kunpeng is sold for more than 30 million US dollars in the international market, which is more than half cheaper than ours."

"We definitely can't do it at this price."

"But I'm worried that Sikorsky will lower the price before us, and then we will be more passive."

David naturally wants to win this project.

A multi-billion dollar order is not a small order in the international arms market.

Boeing has few orders that are larger than it in a year.

"Even if Sikorsky lowers the price, it will definitely not be able to lower it to the level of Venustech."

"If they dare to break the rules like this, then I will unite with other military enterprises and discuss how to deal with them."

"Their main products are all kinds of helicopters. I believe there must be many domestic competitors who don't like them."

Millenberg sneered, not particularly worried about the situation at Sikorsky.

As a company founded by polar bear immigrants, Sikorsky's influence in the United States is completely incomparable to Boeing.

In the United States, in addition to Boeing, there are several other companies that have good helicopter products.

In this case, everyone certainly does not want Sikorsky to have a comfortable life.

If there is a chance to bring down Sikorsky, everyone's enthusiasm will definitely be very high.

"Sikorsky is like a shit stirrer, and it has affected many of our past orders."

"We really need to think about how to deal with them."

The boss has an idea to take action, and David naturally responds positively.

The military-industrial enterprises in the United States are not monolithic, and the competition among them is also very fierce.